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ThrottleOut Veteran Member
Joined: 04 Jun 2007 Posts: 444 Location: Roseville, Michigan
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: Any electrical GURU's??? |
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I saw THIS the other day and was wondering if anyone understands exactly how this is done so I can do this to the RZR? I really like the idea of NOT having to add any external switches, just relays that will tuck up under the dash neatly and out of the elements. Their kit seems to be reasonably priced and wouldn't mind paying what they want for it but I like to know how they accomplished this before hand. Any help/info is much appreciated. _________________ Demetrio aka "D"
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want2beyounger 1000+ Member
Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 2143 Name: Gary Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:44 am Post subject: |
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Without seeing a schematic, I would guess that the current thru the coil in the relay completes the circuit to ground when the shifter is placed into rev. This trips the relay to send power to the work lights. I don't know why there are two relays. This is all speculation on my part. There are dozens of ways to accomplish this. A member did it with a magnetic proximity switch on the shifter stick. A much simpler way to do it. I cant find the post right now, but will keep looking. _________________
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Myers 1000+ Member
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Posts: 1568 Name: Mike Location: Indiana
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
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The violet wire coming from the shifter position indicator is grounded when the reverse gear is engaged. That signal is then ran through a resistor module for a specific resistance so that the dash "knows" what gear it is in for the display. If you use the violet wire from the sensor to ground the coil side of one relay then you can run power through the switch side to activate your work lights. This is just from a quick view of the engineering diagram for the rzr. It will work but if you order it I would not recommend using the scotch locks shown with the kit. They are corrosion attacters. Solder and heat shrink all of your connections for long term reliability. It looks possible to do it with one relay but I would have to Check some of the ciurcuts first. _________________ Mike
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bluesti Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Feb 2008 Posts: 315 Name: Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: |
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When I pulled my new RZR off the trailer the other night... I was also wondering why the hell they didn't make the work lights come on automatically... made no sense to me, would be so easy and a cool feature! _________________
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peanut8474 1000+ Member
Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 2359 Location: Southern ILLinois Benton IL
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:49 am Post subject: |
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That's a cool idea . I never even thought that the back lights didnt come on unless you turned them on _________________ I aint nuthn but a simple MAN, but country boys can survive!Cameron Neal!
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guy48065 PRC Sponsor
Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 2160 Name: Mark Location: S.E. MI
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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If you use the violet wire to activate the relay it can't also be sending the needed resistance to the digital gauge. Maybe that's what the 2nd relay is for--it picks up the resistor pack side of the violet wire & connects it to ground so the gauge gets the right input to turn on the "R" indicator.
_________________ Romeo, MI
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guy48065 PRC Sponsor
Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 2160 Name: Mark Location: S.E. MI
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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quote: Originally posted by want2beyounger
A member did it with a magnetic proximity switch on the shifter stick. A much simpler way to do it. I cant find the post right now, but will keep looking.
I'm the one and I can't find it either!
The Search isn't much use finding an old post unless you can remember several words in the post or title [V]
Gotta tell you it was a PITA and this mod looks like it would be, too. That said--I love having the lights turn on automatically.
_________________ Romeo, MI
http://tinyurl.com/8ltm8
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want2beyounger 1000+ Member
Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 2143 Name: Gary Location: Canada
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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quote: Originally posted by guy48065
quote: Originally posted by want2beyounger
A member did it with a magnetic proximity switch on the shifter stick. A much simpler way to do it. I cant find the post right now, but will keep looking.
I'm the one and I can't find it either!
The Search isn't much use finding an old post unless you can remember several words in the post or title [V]
Gotta tell you it was a PITA and this mod looks like it would be, too. That said--I love having the lights turn on automatically.
I thought it was you. I searched by member. I looked everywhere. Even tried searching with words misspelled. Whats up? I was going to try it your way. _________________
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SCRAMMYTODD Regular Member
Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 39 Name: Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: |
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I have the wiring diagram for a Sportsman to disable the Reverse over-ride as well as the auto reverse lights. I'm not sure but I would think if the RZR has the same clutster and range senser on the trans the wires should be the same. If anyone wants to be the guinee pig let me know and I'll e-mail the diagram. _________________ |
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want2beyounger 1000+ Member
Joined: 21 Mar 2007 Posts: 2143 Name: Gary Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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quote: Originally posted by SCRAMMYTODD
I have the wiring diagram for a Sportsman to disable the Reverse over-ride as well as the auto reverse lights. I'm not sure but I would think if the RZR has the same clutster and range senser on the trans the wires should be the same. If anyone wants to be the guinee pig let me know and I'll e-mail the diagram.
Sure send it. I'll compare it to the wiring diag of the rzr to see if I can make something work. Thanks _________________
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SCRAMMYTODD Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: |
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Gary I forgot to save your e-mail I don't know what it is _________________ |
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want2beyounger 1000+ Member
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: |
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quote: Originally posted by SCRAMMYTODD
Gary I forgot to save your e-mail I don't know what it is
gahenry13@sympatico.ca _________________
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guy48065 PRC Sponsor
Joined: 13 May 2007 Posts: 2160 Name: Mark Location: S.E. MI
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: |
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quote: Originally posted by want2beyounger
I thought it was you. I searched by member. I looked everywhere. Even tried searching with words misspelled. Whats up? I was going to try it your way.
Are you sure you saw it posted? That's one mod I wasn't going to post because it involved cutting into the harness & soldering. _________________ Romeo, MI
http://tinyurl.com/8ltm8
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Myers 1000+ Member
Joined: 28 Jul 2007 Posts: 1568 Name: Mike Location: Indiana
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: |
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quote: Originally posted by guy48065
If you use the violet wire to activate the relay it can't also be sending the needed resistance to the digital gauge. Maybe that's what the 2nd relay is for--it picks up the resistor pack side of the violet wire & connects it to ground so the gauge gets the right input to turn on the "R" indicator.
There is a ground sent to the range sensor and that ground is then transfered on one of the five other wires to a resistor module. The module looks similar to a blower motor resistor(on the diagram). Each wire off of the range sensor is grounded in its particular range. The module creates the resistance for each gear and that signal is transfered to the dash via a single wire that is the common output to the cluster assembly.
Here's what the diagram looks like and hopefully it will help you follow what I posted. Terminal C is the input ground at the range sensor and all of the resistance is generated after the violet wire. The white wire off of the resistor goes to the cluster.
_________________ Mike
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guy48065 PRC Sponsor
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:25 am Post subject: |
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Now I remember...I put it up on Marty's site since he likes to get real technical. You must have seen it there.
[ ] _________________ Romeo, MI
http://tinyurl.com/8ltm8
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