[warlock]

two rzrs were entered into the races this weekend at the corr racing event.both rzrs were wrecked so bad that they were unable to finish DNF.custom motorsports cage held up good,but the rest of the rzr took it real bad. the other rzr was built by dragonfire racing and there cage gave in pretty good(better design needed) and the rest of the rzr is pretty well torn up.It was driven by robby gordons sister robbyn.I will try and post pictures. the picture are on glamisdunes.com under the race forums on rhinos.

 

[SxS]

This is what we need to see...the wrecks and carnage that determine just how to build 'em even better.

Thanks for the heads up and looking forward to the pics.

 

[warlock]

how do you put pics up here.

 

[desert rat]

This is a post from Brian at xxxrhinosports on glamisdunes.com

all the damage was a result of the crash, and it didnt happen over a jump. it was at the end of a straight away just before going into a turn. she was trying to pass adam garcia from xxxrhinosports and got into him a little and thats all it took and she rolled. and it was a very bad crash one of the worst i have seen, she was on the gas wide open and so was he. they were going about 50 when this happend. me and adam whent over and talked to here after the race to make sure she was ok , and she was.that girl is tough. she was all smiles, but she was bummed she totaled the car.and in the end everybody got what they wanted, they got to so the razors head to head with the rhinos on a very fast track, so we saw how fast they were , and how they would do in durability. well i will say robin was doing very well and she was pulling on alot of the other rhinos but she was pretty far behind the leaders, at least 3 seconds.but remember they were all mods and she was stock , so id say its fast yes, but the main frame is very weak and would need a lot of reinforcement before you would want to race one.i have seen many rhinos roll bad and just keep on going, ive rolled end over end very hard and there was no damage other that a bent tie rod,
so just make sure you build strong.

 

[SxS]

Originally posted by RazorX
[br]"...she was trying to pass adam garcia from xxxrhinosports and got into him a little and thats all it took and she rolled. and it was a very bad crash one of the worst i have seen, she was on the gas wide open and so was he. they were going about 50 when this happend. me and adam whent over and talked to here after the race to make sure she was ok , and she was...."

Great news in regards to the cage...

"...so id say its fast yes, but the <u>main</u> <u>frame</u> is very weak and would need a lot of reinforcement before you would want to race one.i have seen many rhinos roll bad and just keep on going, ive rolled end over end very hard and there was no damage other that a bent tie rod,
so just make sure you build strong..."

...not so good (evidently) where it might hurt one in the wallet.[V]

Maybe I should hold off on purchasing accessories to buy the parts that these accessory guys will be making to stiffen these things up. I would absolutely hate myself if I tweaked a frame knowing full well that it had been done before and could be prevented (that second to last pic above does not look good).

Thanks a bunch, Razor X and a big thanks also to the companies/drivers who raced that day in order to give us this extremely valuable information.

John

 

[SxS]

Also, is this young lady now driving Rzrs for Dragonfire and what accessory manufacturers will be up against each other at the TT250 coming up soon in Pahrump, NV.? (Jagged; DF and Custom Motorsports?).

It seems to me that the rivalries are being played down here some; yet to me, when you start banging and rolling these things around while dealing with very short initial time frames between appearances...it somewhat forces each of these businesses into to showing the world what that company is all about both engineering and people-wise with everybody competing on basically the same plane.(which is what is so great about this roll-out time period).

Good luck to all of you guys; especially on figuring out the frame/cage issue; which is where many of us will be watching closely as to what type of true engineering is offered up here as the fix. (No slam on the Polaris engineers here; as they most likely had to build this thing within a certain price range; yet I'd just as soon have that same engineer or one of equivalent schooling offer up the basic structure mod as opposed to a 'heck, we'll just weld a stick here and there' type of process).

BTW, which one of these accessory people works with the most respected off-road truck frame designer or at least the one(s) with the most trophies sitting on his or her shelf?
Hey, if you're proud of who you are; what you do and who you associate with....bring it![] (we've heard very little from these guys lately and there are many of us out here just about ready to pick an accessory partner....).[8]

 

[ravencr]

Wow, that's unfortunate on many levels. To have weak aftermarket parts is one thing, but a weak frame potentially...that could be bad. I know I ripped my Driver's side front a-arm off on a rock this past winter and the whole a-arm broke, but the frame was intact. It appears here that the a-arms might not be the same weak link, but who's to say. It could have been the perfect hit or maybe they need to rethink it a tad.

Chris

 

[ElecTech]

From my point of view, after doing rolls at 50mph or better and then walking away without a scratch says something. Remember years ago when race cars would take a heck of a beating and not look too bad but the drivers died? Now a days, the cars literally fly apart but I have seen drivers walk away with no injuries whatsoever. I know folks what to beat the crap out of these things, roll them, do flips in them, etc. and still keep on going but in reality, the body may be the one paying the price. I am not saying this has anything to do with the design but if it does, give me a trashed RZR and a healthy body any day of the week. Machines can be fixed a lot easier than human bodies can.

 

[DALE]

I was at that race and it was a bad crash she went threw but one thing is that RZR was keeping up with much more modified rhinos at double the cost per unit, Even with the wrecks of both RZR's I think they put the fear on the rhino crews when a near stock RZR was near the front out of 14 rhinos in there race. We will need to see what the future brings.

 

[SxS]

Again, the silence is a little deafening here on this; as there are even worse pictures of what happened to these things on the aformentioned site.

From initial accounts; it doesn't sound like either of these took much of a tangle to send them rolling along; which is a sobering lesson for all of us concerning this new narrower width.

As far as this frame issue(?) and the 'unknown' regarding a stock cage taking the same kind of punishment or even less...that is obviously why these forums exist; where both the manufacturer and vendors can come on in here (hopefully) in advance of 'our guys' actually visiting at least one of them in person to get the same questions answered.

If I'm being much to painfully 'direct' here, somebody please stop me...yet it appears that there's no reason to hold back now with these things seemingly about to be delivered..and nobody but the guys with them in hand possessing the answers needed.

 

[SxS]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DALE

I was at that race and it was a bad crash she went threw but one thing is that RZR was keeping up with much more modified rhinos at double the cost per unit, Even with the wrecks of both RZR's I think they put the fear on the rhino crews when a near stock RZR was near the front out of 14 rhinos in there race. We will need to see what the future brings.
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Did they make them start in the back and get on up to 1200 lbs.; Dale?

Thanks,

John

 

[Adam12]

What bent the yellow front end up that look like frame damage.

 

[Adam12]

There still under there 6 months warrant.......lolol...Sorry couldnt help myself....

 

[ravencr]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SxS

Again, the silence is a little deafening here on this; as there are even worse pictures of what happened to these things on the aformentioned site.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">What's your point, though? Do you own a Rhino, Ranger, Prowler, what?<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">

From initial accounts; it doesn't sound like either of these took much of a tangle to send them rolling along; which is a sobering lesson for all of us concerning this new narrower width.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">No it's not a sobering lesson. How many rhinos out there were stock width with stock shocks? I haven't checked the playing field to see, but I'd say very few were stock width.

Chris

 

[ravencr]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SxS

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by DALE

I was at that race and it was a bad crash she went threw but one thing is that RZR was keeping up with much more modified rhinos at double the cost per unit, Even with the wrecks of both RZR's I think they put the fear on the rhino crews when a near stock RZR was near the front out of 14 rhinos in there race. We will need to see what the future brings.
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Did they make them start in the back and get on up to 1200 lbs.; Dale?

Thanks,

John
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></font id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">It doesn't really matter if it weighs 1200 lbs or not, displacement is displacement, period. It's going to be faster even once they add all the weight, especially if properly clutched for it's terrain.

Chris

 

[SxS]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by ElecTech

From my point of view, after doing rolls at 50mph or better and then walking away without a scratch says something... I am not saying this has anything to do with the design but if it does, give me a trashed RZR and a healthy body any day of the week. Machines can be fixed a lot easier than human bodies can.
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I'm with you there, Bruce; it's just that neither of these rigs were running the stock cages you and I will have for whatever reason (although I think that we both know why) along with the fact that we can't seem to get any reports as to just how well both of these frames held up either (I don't like the one picture of Robyn's ride looking from the underneath; yet who knows).

You're right; we can fix these machines much easier than ourselves...yet my question today is what I need do to this thing right out of the crate that will at least equal the frame strength of my Rhino that I need evidently not touch.

I somewhat expect to replace the cage; as we found out this weekend with folks who evidently know how to build them if given the proper amount of time and obviously testing to figure this out for us.

 

[DALE]

SxS I'm not sure what you meant if they started in the back in on to 1200 lbs.the statement was that i think there was 16 UTVs and 2 were RZRs and that makes 14 rhinos to go against in the race and regardless of the damage to the RZRs Robbyn Gorden was making a good showing even though she did not finish the race with a near stock ranger RZR. were you even there at the race I have seen what happened to the RZR in question and will not dispute that they need inprovement in the crash department but looking at what they were going up against it was like a buggy against a pro one truck..

 

[johnnie]

I am with Custom Motorsports, and I admit to lurking, I have posted on Glamisdunes.com with the following, We agree with WildBill and xxxrhinosports on GlamisDunes.com, let's review the video, unedited, this would remove all speculation as to what occurred. As for the assumptions on the RZR's stability, 1st hand this vehicle handles great, we hoped that we could display this at the CORR track, but was taken out in lap #2. Barry is a very experienced driver with lots of racing off-road experience and believes that the aftermarket crowd will develop accessories to accommodate track racing for the RZR's, just as with the Rhino's. The positive evolution of side X sides is what we hope for and the RZR is the next step in this process. Competition is great, this drives the aftermarket process and produces results, we will always strive to push that edge and produce products that keep that edge sharp. Bottom line, drama is drama, facts are facts and speculation is speculation. We would hope that an open mind be kept, when commenting on the RZR's performance, it gives one hell of a ride. We would be glad to share information on what we have experienced with the RZR, just ask. As far as the lower frame, the politically correct response would be that the RZR lower frame strength is correct for the vehicles weight and practical riding use, CMS's response would be that the aftermarket world goes beyond practical use and builds a re-enfored frame for other than practical use, this is the same process we used for the Rhino's in our stable.

 

[EPE_79]

I like johnnies response to all this, i must agree, that with any racing application be it Drag Racing, Off Road, Rally or whatever, Modifications are done to all aspects of a vehicle. Let's remember one thing the RZR was wrecked at 50 mph and the driver walked away!! So as far as us recreational users go i find this AWESOME! Just gotta make sure i get my insurance straight

 

[SxS]

Originally posted by DALE

"...SxS I'm not sure what you meant if they started in the back in on to 1200 lbs...."

This came from one of the principals involved on glamisdunes.com way before the race; where they were talking about Robyn starting in the back of the pack; not being allowed to win and meeting some 1200 lb. limit. Sounds like it ended up that they couldn't race them anyways (not a production rig); they managed to pass inspection and that they allowed them on the track for 'show' mainly because that is exactly what the public wanted. (I wasn't there and have no idea what the deal was; just piecing it together the best I can).