[jbnobody]

I've had my Ranger about 6 months, lost three belts, now dealer says secondary clutch is bad, possibly bad from factory. Good news, they are making this repair under the extended warranty, including replacing the belt. When I looked at it there was oil in the box, the mechanic said it came from the crank seal, but the seal was fine, it just had a sliver of belt wedged under it. My question is, should I be worried about the seal, or just see what happens down the road?

 

[kudidl]

If there was something between the seal and the crank I'd have it replaced. Might not leak now but could later.

 

[POS POLARIS]

Not that I disagree with Rick, but if they weren't going to warranty a seal replacement, I wouldn't pay them to do it out of pocket. a sliver of belt would easily cause that seal to leak, and with it removed it may very well go back to operating with no problems.

Seals are usually one of two things. Either they're working, or their not. If the seal was damaged by the belt it will start leaking immediately. if it wasn't. it'll be fine. If it goes to leaking, that would be covered under your extended warranty, but not before.

 

[jbnobody]

That's what i'm thinking, and from what I understand to change the seal the engine has to come out and the cases split. The owner of the dealership said I was better off to not push the seal issue if not currently leaking, the warranty on the belt and clutch took a lot of discussion to get it warrantied. Polaris said the belt failed first damaging the clutch, my mechanic said the clutch failed first damaging the belt.

 

[jbnobody]

I'm not an extended warranty kinda guy, but after this and a previous fuel pump replacement , the cost of the warranty has almost paid off already.

 

[botis]

I'm going through the exact same thing mine is at the dealer with a broken secondary and I'm trying to get belts covered but so far no dice. How many miles you have on your rig?

 

[jbnobody]

Right around 1900 miles. Im 53 years old, very conservative rider, no hard mud, just lots of dirt roads about 30 miles an hour.

 

[alloutdoors]

Not that I disagree with Rick, but if they weren't going to warranty a seal replacement, I wouldn't pay them to do it out of pocket. a sliver of belt would easily cause that seal to leak, and with it removed it may very well go back to operating with no problems.

Seals are usually one of two things. Either they're working, or their not. If the seal was damaged by the belt it will start leaking immediately. if it wasn't. it'll be fine. If it goes to leaking, that would be covered under your extended warranty, but not before.

Adam, do you have any thoughts on what causes the secondary to fail, so early? Do you think this is a dust and/or heat or just an unfortunate failure?

 

[berks co hunter]

Had my secondary fail last month.
the bushing buttons and helix were
all destroyed.
clutch failed first. Taking out
belt.
took a month but dealer got it
covered.
secondary clutch is a cheap piece
of junk.
Waiting till it happens again.

 

[alloutdoors]

Had my secondary fail last month.
the bushing buttons and helix were
all destroyed.
clutch failed first. Taking out
belt.
took a month but dealer got it
covered.
secondary clutch is a cheap piece
of junk.
Waiting till it happens again.

Is an aftermarket clutch the cure? If so, does anyone offer something for the 570?

 

[berks co hunter]

Maybe hunterworks. I think he has a new ebs
model secondary clutch. Which is a roller type
clutch.

 

[berks co hunter]

I would like a duraclutch for my 570.
if they make one and I could afford it.

 

[POS POLARIS]

Adam, do you have any thoughts on what causes the secondary to fail, so early? Do you think this is a dust and/or heat or just an unfortunate failure?

I'm not too sure. I've never heard of a secondary failing that early. The secondary's I've seen fail usually have went bad around the 1000-1500 hour mark in my cases. The ones I've seen fail have either flat spotted the rollers internally, or the bushings wear out on the sleeve causing the secondary to not backshift correctly. I usually noticed it when I would start out that it wouldn't engage correctly. I have never ruined a belt as a result of a bad secondary. Maybe if the sheaves were spread open enough causing the belt to twist when first engaged I could see it happening.

Dust will cause the sleeve and rollers to fail prematurely. Since I'm assuming this is on a 570, and I've never owned one, I should ask where is the CVT intake located for that model?

Did they say what failed on the secondary?


IMO, the team roller secondary's are junk and should be replaced with the polaris EBS clutch.

 

[alloutdoors]

I would like a duraclutch for my 570.
if they make one and I could afford it.

Nothing available at this time through Hunter, unless I'm getting him confused with someone else. Appears to be plenty of options for 900's, may be I need to upgrade

 

[alloutdoors]

I'm not too sure. I've never heard of a secondary failing that early. The secondary's I've seen fail usually have went bad around the 1000-1500 hour mark in my cases. The ones I've seen fail have either flat spotted the rollers internally, or the bushings wear out on the sleeve causing the secondary to not backshift correctly. I usually noticed it when I would start out that it wouldn't engage correctly. I have never ruined a belt as a result of a bad secondary. Maybe if the sheaves were spread open enough causing the belt to twist when first engaged I could see it happening.

Dust will cause the sleeve and rollers to fail prematurely. Since I'm assuming this is on a 570, and I've never owned one, I should ask where is the CVT intake located for that model?

Did they say what failed on the secondary?


IMO, the team roller secondary's are junk and should be replaced with the polaris EBS clutch.

Notice right in front of the handle to release bed, small grill this happens to be the air intake and on the other side is for CVT. If you recall, Johnny experienced a tremendous amount of dust in his air box, which is fed through that opening and one of my concerns regarding the CVT and air and possible need to relocate them.

 

[berks co hunter]

Yeah nothing for the 570 from duraclutch.
pretty sure hw has an ebs secondary. Which
is supposed to be a better clutch.

 

[POS POLARIS]

you would've thought polaris would have learned their lesson after they mounted the CVT intake behind the bed on the 800s.!

The placement for the engine/air intake in this case is nothing but idiotic and negligent. But I'm sure polaris won't care, they'll make profits off of all the extra clutch parts, and air filters they'll sell. not to mention all the parts for the dusted engines that will be a direct result of the intake location. Maybe they should've just mounted the air inlets right behind the rear tire? would've been just as effective.... If I was a 570 owner I'd be pretty upset.

If the CVT is pulling in this much dirt, I can completely understand why the secondary clutch got stuck and started going through belts. You cannot have this much dirt present with ANY moving parts.

If it were me, I'd re-loacate both air inlets ASAP. Waiting for polaris to come out with a re-location kit isn't likely. They don't like taking money out of their own wallets.

 

[jbnobody]

I ride mostly on red clay dirt roads, I need an air filter about every 20 hours. Also the screens at the intakes for both the engine and cvt will get covered in dust and reduce air flow. The clutches are inhaling a huge amount of fine dust. It sucks it in and blows in just back out at the bottom of the seat. If you don't have a windshield or a back glass the intakes do fine, add these and it causes the dust to roll back directly behind the cab where these intakes suck it in..

 

[Mtjag]

I bought some of this AC prefilter material and am covering the intakes on both sides of the machine as well as the lid to the air filter box. I'm just experimenting with trying to cut down on the dust. In the end, I will probably take the advice of Adam and Mickey and try to route the intakes to another location.