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This bill is what our legislators are attempting to do in the State of CA

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/07-08/bill/sen/sb_0701-0750/sb_742_bill_20070409_amended_sen_v98.pdf

please read this, and contact your local state politicans to voice your concerns

us off-roaders take it in the shorts every year. our green sticker money has been used in the past to actually close trails down!!!

get involved, as this is a fight that needs to be fought!!

pretty much what is happening, is our green sticker money is being used to actually close down riding areas
 

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the sad part is, the money that this commision uses is generated by the off-roaders themselves, by way of a bi-yearly registration program, known as the green sticker fund. Our mental giant politicians use that money to actually close down trails
 

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I've found that when these issues come up; nobody seems willing to actually break each and every individual fight down for the common man or woman to digest. Furthermore, there seems to be no national unity or 'roof' out there for money to be pooled under or where raw power would be gained.

I'd love to send in something to somebody to support the issues in California...yet who is it exactly that speaks for both the Californians and me?

In other words, the BRC wants me to send them in $120.00 strictly to fight the travel management rule in Moab...yet where were they or any of these other national orgs....when the travel management rule eliminated all my trails here in Michigan? (I'm all for supporting the next guy; yet with more maintained trails here in Michigan than anywhere else...why are we unapoligetically told to sit back here and keep our mouths shut?).

Good luck on your fight and I'll indeed help if we can determine just what you guys out there are fighting for that ensures we all pay in one heck of a lot more into the orv management system than we have been or are doing now (I haven't heard a plan from the orv community yet that was proactive in raising fees or encouraging things like impoundments for those who make said fees go up in the first place....).
 

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We here in Michigan need a part time Legislator or none at all because ours is over paid and don't do much to help our needs anyway just a few years ago voted there selfs a 30% raise even though State hurting.
And you poor folks in California, your Legislator is insanely way over paid and sounds like they don't help you all either.
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Commander

We here in Michigan need a part time Legislator or none at all because ours is over paid and don't do much to help our needs anyway just a few years ago voted there selfs a 30% raise even though State hurting.
And you poor folks in California, your Legislator is insanely way over paid and sounds like they don't help you all either.
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I hope that richard comes back and explains to us what exactly should be done in California; as I am very much interested in how bothy he and they view the situation out there as well.
Believe it or not, I somewhat give our legislators a pass on these off-road issues; as they seemingly are a glass waiting to be filled by whoever from our community they deem to be 'representative'...and this certainly isn't the side-by-side or atv community that vastly outnumber those presently filling that void.

Don't get me wrong, my local guy's favorite 'punt' line is (as I've just witnessed my thoughts go in one way and out the other)..."well, you know...there's not much any of us can do about anything that our state employees (DNR) choose to do" so believe me, I'm very much sympathetic with what you say (don't even get me started on this budget mess they've mangled as the entire state goes down the toilet...).

Yet if there is no publicly held consensus out here in the orv world (as in CA.) as to in exactly what direction we should be heading...you've got a tough row to hoe with so many lined up on the other side who have never even see so much as seen us in action; let alone heard a reasoned (for example) "pay-to-play" voice as one of our rallying calls.

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I would also extend the above 'pass' to many of our national park employees working in the parks themselves. A lot of these men and women were just waiting decades for us all to approach them on (and before) this travel management rule with a good 'ol pay-to-play plan that would have allow them to manage these resources with the proper amount of money that would be needed to do it correctly....and guess what?

We didn't show up![V] (which was just plain bad leadership on our part and not how our leadership has desperately tried to spin it as we witness these trails begin to be shut down).
 

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SxS

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Commander

We here in Michigan need a part time Legislator or none at all because ours is over paid and don't do much to help our needs anyway just a few years ago voted there selfs a 30% raise even though State hurting.
And you poor folks in California, your Legislator is insanely way over paid and sounds like they don't help you all either.
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I hope that richard comes back and explains to us what exactly should be done in California; as I am very much interested in how bothy he and they view the situation out there as well.
Believe it or not, I somewhat give our legislators a pass on these off-road issues; as they seemingly are a glass waiting to be filled by whoever from our community they deem to be 'representative'...and this certainly isn't the side-by-side or atv community that vastly outnumber those presently filling that void.

Don't get me wrong, my local guy's favorite 'punt' line is (as I've just witnessed my thoughts go in one way and out the other)..."well, you know...there's not much any of us can do about anything that our state employees (DNR) choose to do" so believe me, I'm very much sympathetic with what you say (don't even get me started on this budget mess they've mangled as the entire state goes down the toilet...).

Yet if there is no publicly held consensus out here in the orv world (as in CA.) as to in exactly what direction we should be heading...you've got a tough row to hoe with so many lined up on the other side who have never even see so much as seen us in action; let alone heard a reasoned (for example) "pay-to-play" voice as one of our rallying calls.

P.S.
I would also extend the above 'pass' to many of our national park employees working in the parks themselves. A lot of these men and women were just waiting decades for us all to approach them on (and before) this travel management rule with a good 'ol pay-to-play plan that would have allow them to manage these resources with the proper amount of money that would be needed to do it correctly....and guess what?

We didn't show up![V] (which was just plain bad leadership on our part and not how our leadership has desperately tried to spin it as we witness these trails begin to be shut down).
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SXS- and anybody else interested i saving THEIR riding area

The first and foremost item to be done in CA is to have your state legislator's local office on speed dial. Make sure all your local friends who ride have it too. Then just call call call....20....30....40 times a day to express

1. what is wrong with the current green sticker program

2. why is the money generated by off-roaders used against us

3. why is the green sticker money commission mostly anti-access people

4. why is the number of off-road people growing in CA, but riding area shrinking.


now that is just for the State of Ca. If you have issues that are local to you in ANY atate, then find the crux of the issue, and do the same thing. the more people call/write/email their officals, the bigger impact.

if your group is large enough, demand a sit down with your state representatives to hash out your concerns as a taxpayer, and then ask them what they intend to do about it.

you have to be pro-active
 

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I suppose my problem has always been that 98% of the riders out there have absolutely no idea as to what is wrong with any program regarding above item #1....which puts them at one heck of a disadvantage when they have to ask the person on the other end of the line as to the 'whys' of 2, 3 and 4.

In other words, I don't see a fully explained and unified message coming across where I live or frankly where others do either....simply knee jerk reactions vs proactive campaigns (ie: pay-to-play; imoundment-type enforcement; etc.) to what is thrown at us on a daily basis because of a lack of will among us to make the hard decisions that we've needed to make for decades.

For example:
How do you partner with large national cycle organizations on anything trail or safety related...when they vehemently oppose bills that Polaris introduces to help side-by-siders and support helmet-free laws all around this country with absolutely no apology?

Foe pete's sake, Richard; we've got every national OHV organization out there putting their arms around these guys and asking me to send both of them money....while at the same time they're out here fighting Polaris tooth and nail to make darn sure that Polars' rRngers never set tire one on trails that these arrogant you know whats....don't even ride! [:(!]

I guess that I'm just through with this "just send us your money and look the other way" method of getting into my wallet...and believe me, I've supported more clubs than most will in a lifetime before realizing that these so-called non-profit 'leaders' have never wanted us all on the same page or under the same roof...and never will.
 

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you make some good points, sxs

as far as the helmet thing. i have seen first hand what NOT wearing a helmet in a sxs rollover in the dunes can do to a 12 yr old girl's skull. I am all for having to wear a helmet when sxs....it's a safety issue for me.

as far as the major cycle corporations, like honda suzuki, they all donate to the anti-access crowds, play both ends to meet the middle type thing. i dont align myself with them. there are organizations, like friends of dumont dunes, friends of oceano dunes, that really mobilize people to do things. for instance. this weekend, I will be handing out flyers @ oceano dunes, and basically telling everyone that comes in when I am there to pick up their trash.
 

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Richard Cheese- Are you a member of FoOD?

Keep this up folks!!! If we don't put the hammer down now, we will (All States) lose to the Extreme Enviro's. The East and West coast sets the trends so the mid west and deep south should be ready to gear up. It's comin' your way !!!!!

If ya don't vote regulary, . . . then start. Most states have offroad asociations. Join them and support them either by opening your wallet or helping mail letters, whatever.

We're not the only ones affected. Those of us who ranch cattle or with daries, those of who hunt and fish and those who farm for a living are taking it right in the ARSE. More and more land is being turned into eco preserves,wilderness areas etc. In some of these areas you can not even ride a dadgum bycycle there.

Ideally, it would be great to get all the above together to put the hurt on enviro's. But I don't forsee that ever happening; Too many conflicts between each group. But for fun, next time your shootin the S,,T with someone who dosen't understand explain to them how this is not only destroying our forms of recreation but it's also taking away a persons right to make a living.

Whether you agree with me or not, I don't care. I'm gettin it broke off in both ends here in Ca.. I'm convinced that if it dosen't stop we might as well throw a up a fence around everything, lock the gate. Oh and dig deep into your wallets becasue it costs lots and lots and lots of money to help your fellow environmentalist keep his backpacking area open for his/her use; These types of places don't seem to pay for themselves but our taxes do!!!!
 

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What mrshoer said !!!
Time to wake up and fight for Public lands, or just look at old
pictures of your Ranger in the days when you could ride.
 
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