We need to consider helmets for our rally too for liability reasons. Trailpass REQUIRES helmets be worn for the insurance to be in effect. Not sure about Lucas. We will have more vehicles, faster vehicles, and riders of unknown ability. Maybe we need to think about it.
Thoughts to consider
One of the great things I enjoy about our Ranger is the fact that it is the only motorized off-road toy that I do not wear a helmet while riding. There have been times when I reflect that I know I should have (while rolling in Curt's).
Everything else that I ride requires a helmet for safety. They are much faster and easier to get into a problem on.
The RZR is much faster and I am sure easier to roll than our Rangers. I am very embarrassed I never considered this safety risk before tonight. There is absolutely NO WAY Polaris can allow us to ride the RZR without the proper safety apparel.
If we were to send a message to Polaris that we are not going accept their (cough, cough) hospitality because we shund safety think about how that message would be recieved by not only Polaris, but also our membership.
I say we go,,,,we go play by their rules and make the very most out this trip by taking advantage of the oppurtunity to enjoy each other and milk Popo for everything we can.
I know I am.
Everything else that I ride requires a helmet for safety. They are much faster and easier to get into a problem on.
The RZR is much faster and I am sure easier to roll than our Rangers. I am very embarrassed I never considered this safety risk before tonight. There is absolutely NO WAY Polaris can allow us to ride the RZR without the proper safety apparel.
If we were to send a message to Polaris that we are not going accept their (cough, cough) hospitality because we shund safety think about how that message would be recieved by not only Polaris, but also our membership.
I say we go,,,,we go play by their rules and make the very most out this trip by taking advantage of the oppurtunity to enjoy each other and milk Popo for everything we can.
I know I am.
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Even for standard Rangers? The biggest part of the riders in a Ranger are just out for a nice slow scenic trail ride.
Brian
Brian
Like many other avid motorcycle riders, I hold steadfast to the notion of "Let those who Ride Decide." I understand and will comply with whatever orders are handed down regarding staff behavior at the Rally, but I will do so reluctantly.
I can't help but become somewhat bummed that our reasons for enforcing a would-be helmet rule has only to do with protecting ourselves against dirtbag attorneys and opportunistic rally attendees.
Sorry folks....I promise to 'right' my ship and get back to 'upbeat,' but I couldn't stop myself this time.
I can't help but become somewhat bummed that our reasons for enforcing a would-be helmet rule has only to do with protecting ourselves against dirtbag attorneys and opportunistic rally attendees.
Sorry folks....I promise to 'right' my ship and get back to 'upbeat,' but I couldn't stop myself this time.
This thread confused me to start with because I thought I had heard it before until I saw the date on Neal's post!! We may not have a choice on the matter. Does Royal Blue require it? I know the 4 wheelers and the RZR's need to be wearing one, maybe not so much with the Rangers. But, to make everyone feel better, if one group wears them, then maybe all of us should. It would be hot in a cab but I am game for whatever we need or are required to do.
Randy, unfortunately, we do have to protect ourselves from the very individuals that you describe. I personally feel that a good "cement shoe" salesman would make a good living in today's world!!
Randy, unfortunately, we do have to protect ourselves from the very individuals that you describe. I personally feel that a good "cement shoe" salesman would make a good living in today's world!!
If my memory serves me, Royal Blue requires Helmets only for those riders under 18 years of age. I know Taylor (our 13yo) was required to wear one on her quad (and not just by Royal Blue, but by her folks as well!!)
Maybe I should update the rally rules and add a clause stating "Due to insurance requirements, helmets may be required".
What do you all think ?
What do you all think ?
I'm not sure I'd post anything about it until we know for sure what the rule is going to be. The main reason is that this is going to stir things up and will become a huge debate with alot of members and it's going to be talked to death. JMO
Brian<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by oneal
Maybe I should update the rally rules and add a clause stating "Due to insurance requirements, helmets may be required".
What do you all think ?
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Brian<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by oneal
Maybe I should update the rally rules and add a clause stating "Due to insurance requirements, helmets may be required".
What do you all think ?
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I disagree that we dictate such a rule until we get insurance secured and truly think about it.
Albiet PRC is "Hosting" a Rally at the Royal Blue, the property owner is as culpable should something happen which would bring on a suit.
I would imagine that the insurance policies of Lucas Oil will also include provisions for not only head protection but all appropriate means in which to protect ones body(ies). Can you tell I have spent the better part of the day working with attornies.LOL
Now that the holidays are over I will stimulate the insurance and money conversations and get these issues completed as soon as possible and we can go from there.
Furthermore, please remember that we will have a waiver which will be signed, printed and dated for each particpant. These waivers have been widely used in all fashions of motorsports for many years and are very well written.
fred
Albiet PRC is "Hosting" a Rally at the Royal Blue, the property owner is as culpable should something happen which would bring on a suit.
I would imagine that the insurance policies of Lucas Oil will also include provisions for not only head protection but all appropriate means in which to protect ones body(ies). Can you tell I have spent the better part of the day working with attornies.LOL
Now that the holidays are over I will stimulate the insurance and money conversations and get these issues completed as soon as possible and we can go from there.
Furthermore, please remember that we will have a waiver which will be signed, printed and dated for each particpant. These waivers have been widely used in all fashions of motorsports for many years and are very well written.
fred
I don't like wearing the suckers either, but if the insurance says that a lack of helmets voids any coverage we may not have a choice. It gives me little comfort that others may be named in the suit also. This insurance is to protect us, not the riders. They need to have their own insurance. I think at the very least we will end up putting a requirement in our rules that they wear helmets. If they choose to ride without them we cannot control that because we are not going to do police work. However it will shift the responsibility onto the riders if they do something stupid. If it is required by our insurance I will wear a half helmet and lead by example, but this will be a self-policing situation.
At the risk of complicating this matter further, might not the insurance policy specify what is 'defined' as a helmet? Might it not specify only helmets with DOT approval ratings?
I sure hope not! That would mean those snowboard types, or bicycle types would -- for liability exposure reasons -- be the same as not wearing one at all.
Also, is it safe to assume that this requirement be enforced during Rally acitivities only? I hope so....that way we don't need to wear them during the days leading up to the actual rally.
I sure hope not! That would mean those snowboard types, or bicycle types would -- for liability exposure reasons -- be the same as not wearing one at all.
Also, is it safe to assume that this requirement be enforced during Rally acitivities only? I hope so....that way we don't need to wear them during the days leading up to the actual rally.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by absea
.... This insurance is to protect us, not the riders. ---I think at the very least we will end up putting a requirement in our rules that they wear helmets. --- <font color="blue">we are not going to do police work</font id="blue">.... However it will shift the responsibility onto the riders if they do something stupid. --- <font color="blue">this will be a self-policing situation.</font id="blue">
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Well said Gary: <u>In today's environment you must protect yourself - and the PRC.</u> [^][^] Everyone should be able to attend once they have seen, and hopefully read, the Rally Rules. - - Whether attendees are bright enough to follow the rules is another matter. [:0] There is not enough insurance in the world to cover all the situations that a group of stupid people, fueled by internal alcohol, can think up to hurt themself and others. [B)][B)]
.... This insurance is to protect us, not the riders. ---I think at the very least we will end up putting a requirement in our rules that they wear helmets. --- <font color="blue">we are not going to do police work</font id="blue">.... However it will shift the responsibility onto the riders if they do something stupid. --- <font color="blue">this will be a self-policing situation.</font id="blue">
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Well said Gary: <u>In today's environment you must protect yourself - and the PRC.</u> [^][^] Everyone should be able to attend once they have seen, and hopefully read, the Rally Rules. - - Whether attendees are bright enough to follow the rules is another matter. [:0] There is not enough insurance in the world to cover all the situations that a group of stupid people, fueled by internal alcohol, can think up to hurt themself and others. [B)][B)]
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Chiefmorton
Even for standard Rangers? The biggest part of the riders in a Ranger are just out for a nice slow scenic trail ride.
Brian
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I am not a proponent of requiring helmets and feel the same as Randy. But this has been on my mind for a while and I'm glad Gary resurfaced an old post of mine to get this out in the open.
The biggest complaint I heard about the Windrock rally was the fact the membership was not made aware of the riding fees until the last minute. It added a lot to the cost of attending which also was not recieved well but the biggest problem was that it was a surprise.
Unless Fred hear's from Lucas Oil that it is certain their insurance does not require it I am going to add it to the rules by the end of January. It will be must less impactfull to put up with the complaints soon so it can be forgotten by the rally compared to telling everyone at the last minute.
Even for standard Rangers? The biggest part of the riders in a Ranger are just out for a nice slow scenic trail ride.
Brian
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I am not a proponent of requiring helmets and feel the same as Randy. But this has been on my mind for a while and I'm glad Gary resurfaced an old post of mine to get this out in the open.
The biggest complaint I heard about the Windrock rally was the fact the membership was not made aware of the riding fees until the last minute. It added a lot to the cost of attending which also was not recieved well but the biggest problem was that it was a surprise.
Unless Fred hear's from Lucas Oil that it is certain their insurance does not require it I am going to add it to the rules by the end of January. It will be must less impactfull to put up with the complaints soon so it can be forgotten by the rally compared to telling everyone at the last minute.
I agree 100%, I just wouldn't even mention anything to do with helmets on the forum side of things until we know for sure one way or another so we don't have to listen to a bunch of whiners about helmets, I guess I'll probably be one of'em LOL!<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by oneal
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Chiefmorton
Even for standard Rangers? The biggest part of the riders in a Ranger are just out for a nice slow scenic trail ride.
Brian
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I am not a proponent of requiring helmets and feel the same as Randy. But this has been on my mind for a while and I'm glad Gary resurfaced an old post of mine to get this out in the open.
The biggest complaint I heard about the Windrock rally was the fact the membership was not made aware of the riding fees until the last minute. It added a lot to the cost of attending which also was not recieved well but the biggest problem was that it was a surprise.
Unless Fred hear's from Lucas Oil that it is certain their insurance does not require it I am going to add it to the rules by the end of January. It will be must less impactfull to put up with the complaints soon so it can be forgotten by the rally compared to telling everyone at the last minute.
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Chiefmorton
Even for standard Rangers? The biggest part of the riders in a Ranger are just out for a nice slow scenic trail ride.
Brian
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I am not a proponent of requiring helmets and feel the same as Randy. But this has been on my mind for a while and I'm glad Gary resurfaced an old post of mine to get this out in the open.
The biggest complaint I heard about the Windrock rally was the fact the membership was not made aware of the riding fees until the last minute. It added a lot to the cost of attending which also was not recieved well but the biggest problem was that it was a surprise.
Unless Fred hear's from Lucas Oil that it is certain their insurance does not require it I am going to add it to the rules by the end of January. It will be must less impactfull to put up with the complaints soon so it can be forgotten by the rally compared to telling everyone at the last minute.
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I agree Neal as the it probably will have it in the clauses.
Why do we need to bring this up in the public side until WE make some decisions. We need to think before we act IMO.
freddy
Why do we need to bring this up in the public side until WE make some decisions. We need to think before we act IMO.
freddy
I don't want to beat a dead horse or stir the pot on this insurance topic but I've rode in several poker runs when we had our bike and I've never had one yet that required you to wear helmets. I've never even as much as signed a waiver. I know we have to be careful with this but are we maybe getting a little to concerned here. I mean we're going to have waiver's signed relieving us the PRC from any liablity, the park doesn't require helmets on utvs so are we making this into alot bigger issue then it needs to be? Helmets weren't even mentioned at Windrock. I know finding out about the riding fees at Windrock didn't go over to well because of the extra cost, that was the biggest part of that deal. If you have plenty of money to spend it really didn't matter to those kind of folks when they were told about the fees. O'well that's water under the bridge and I understand rules are rules and we have to go by whatever we have to go by. However I personally feel that if riders have to wear helmets theirs going to be alot bigger stink raised then there was with the riding fees at Windrock. JMO
Brian
Brian
Just a thought here and whatever/whenever you post the decision we make, I would just make it plain that they could whine if they wanted but the rule is the rule. Going to a rally is an option and if they don't like the rules, then just don't come!! I wouldn't put up with a whole lot of whining so I wouldn't worry about it. After we find out for sure they are needed, then you could let people know. Maybe this discussion will be a moot point!
what did i miss? what did polaris have to say, some one lead me to that thread
Ken,
Don't get confused in this thread. The first message was by Neal way back in the spring last year before our trip to Polaris. Gary just brought it up again in talking about helmets. Polaris has nothing to do with it. We are waiting on the insurance to see if helmets will be required or not.
Don't get confused in this thread. The first message was by Neal way back in the spring last year before our trip to Polaris. Gary just brought it up again in talking about helmets. Polaris has nothing to do with it. We are waiting on the insurance to see if helmets will be required or not.
I'm in complete accord with keeping this discussion here in the board room until we know all the facts. We might as well avoid riling folks up until we know for sure.
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