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I just installed the polaris isolator in my 09 last night. The way I understood the diagram included in the instructions was that nothing was hooked to the start lamp and indicator lamp connections. I ran the ground to the self tapping mounting bolt right under it.

The longest battery cable went from the main batt connection on the isolator over to the main battery's pos post. The midlength cable went from the aux battery connection to the aux battery's pos post. The short battery cable went from the aux battery connection on the isolator to the bus term. The negative cable went between the neg posts of the 2 batteries.

I can take a pic tonight when I get home if needed, but it looks just like the pic posted earlier in this thread. I doublechecked myself with it when I finished last night.
 
I may be wrong, but I don't think anything is plugged in to that term. There is a slightly widened spot on them about midway up and I believe I can see that and then the rest of the term below it. I think elkbow was the poster of the pic, maybe he can clarify it for us. I may have something connected wrong or not connected at all on mine.

I feel certain the drawing in the instructions that came with my kit does not show anything other than the ground being used out those 3 connections. I will double check it when I get home today. Wish I had it with me so that I could scan it and post it up for you. If I make it back to the office this weekend I'll do that, scanner at the house is busted.
 
Been reading a lot of posts here but isn't the point of the isolator to truly isolate both batteries so they never become "parallel". Many of the setups I see here do just that. Even with the electronic isolators, ultimately the batteries become parallel. Wouldn't the best way be to control the stator output to both batteries via an isolator and not make them parallel, ever?
 
Most of the electronic isolators our members use; SurePower 1314, Aopec, Wirthco Battery Doctor, etc., give priority to the main battery. In fact, they constantly provide power to the main battery. None of them actually monitor the auxiliary battery at all (*), all the electronics monitor only the main battery. When the main battery reaches the high set point, usually around 13.2V, the contacts close and allow current to flow downstream through the main, to the auxiliary battery(ies) whose status is not monitored at all. When the isolator determines the main battery has fallen below it's low set point, usually 12.7v, the isolator points open and only the main receives power from the stator. The objective being that the main battery is always at, or near full charge. During the time the contacts are closed, the batteries, are in essence, in parallel, but as noted above only until the main drops to 12.7v. There is really no advantage to completely isolate both batteries from each other; further, most isolators have a diode that prevents backflow from the aux to the main.

* an exception is if the isolator has an 'auxiliary start' function. If that feature is available (either manually or automatically), the isolator will determine if both batteries are within about 1v of each other, and if they are, will allow the two batteries to be bridged together for a few seconds at startup providing maximum available power to the starter.

P.S. Where in OC are you - I was brought up in Garden Grove!
 
I have read this thread from the beginning and don't recall much talk of a manual isolator switch. I don't think anyone wants to read my list of past vehicles with multiple batteries and experience good and bad but I have had the best luck and performance with mechanical battery switches. Meaning: bat 1 - bat 2 - both - off. What is the disadvantage of such in an application with a stator? Not to confuse the matter, I understand the difference between an alternator and a stator and their capabilities.


Du
 
I have read this thread from the beginning and don't recall much talk of a manual isolator switch. I don't think anyone wants to read my list of past vehicles with multiple batteries and experience good and bad but I have had the best luck and performance with mechanical battery switches. Meaning: bat 1 - bat 2 - both - off. What is the disadvantage of such in an application with a stator? Not to confuse the matter, I understand the difference between an alternator and a stator and their capabilities. Du
Absolutely nothing wrong with a manual 1/2/1+2/0 switch (although I can't think of a situation where you would EVER use the off position) - can give you a lot more control of when and where your charging current flows. The down side in my mind is you really have to have a meter on each battery and monitor them continuously - I would much rather just ride and let a "box" decide where the charging is taking place while I take in the scenery! Plus, my memory isn't quite what it used to be and I would dang sure forget to make the necessary 'turns' on the switch. Also, if you do go that route, it would be a good idea to make sure the switch has a diode in the 1+2 position to prevent a battery with a bad cell from dragging down the other battery - I think most of the good switches have that built in now.

For 99.9% of the time I am riding, my (subconscious) priority is "keep the main topped off and give any leftovers to the aux." Comparatively speaking, the electronic isolators only have two of the capabilities (1 and 1+2) of the manual switch but those two positions are probably the only two I would ever use anyway! So for me, the electronic isolator is perfect - install it and forget it!

All that being said, if I were in the rescue business, I would seriously consider the manual over the automatic. When seconds count in a life-or-death situation, I may want the option of directing all of the flow to my aux in an extended, long, winch pull or when I need the max amount of light from an amp hungry light bar to light up a wide area for an extended period of time.

Sure would be nice if someone came up with a "1/2/1+2/Automatic" switch!
 
All that being said, if I were in the rescue business, I would seriously consider the manual over the automatic. When seconds count in a life-or-death situation, I may want the option of directing all of the flow to my aux in an extended, long, winch pull or when I need the max amount of light from an amp hungry light bar to light up a wide area for an extended period of time.
That wouldn't be too difficult to do with a couple of cables and a manual switch I don't think. Couldn't you just bridge the batteries with the manual switch for emergency situations? It wouldn't hurt the isolator would it?
 
Thank you Fswan
When I find a spot to mount a car battery I think I am going to use a manual switch I have a 2013 800 and I haven't found a write up yet on those.
In my past experience with isolators in an automotive and marine environment it doesn't seem to pour in as much juice. May not be true but it seemed that way. I burned up a relatively new isolator and it was my fault, i ran the battery too low and recharged it with the alternator. Major electrical law violation... Dumb ass! Never burned up a switch though. Didn't learn the first time, officially a dumb ass. Can't do that with a stator though, those are a PITA and expensive.
I also like the idea of being parked and running the radio or whatever and can drain the battery dead without fear. When I get home I can charge it. It should also make auxiliary component wiring a little easier, maybe a connection or two less. One less connection, one less thing to keep clean and dry! I am accustom to the switches so it is not a big deal to remember. After a few hours of plowing the neighbor hood I put it on the trickle charger and leave it there most of the time.
Thanks again for the insight guys.


Du
 
This one cleared up some things for me. I am right in the middle of adding a second battery to my bike. I am going to run my stock and odyssey for now. But I found a mount that holds two odyessy's on sale for 50 and I went on and bought it for when my stock battery goes out it will go with that setup later. I bought this it was $69 in all with shipping.

https://artecindustries.3dcartstores.com/mobile/home.asp?#page-65
 
That wouldn't be too difficult to do with a couple of cables and a manual switch I don't think. Couldn't you just bridge the batteries with the manual switch for emergency situations? It wouldn't hurt the isolator would it?
Indeed you could - I'm not sure how would be the best way to do - I know it would be easy with two manual switches and one automatic. However, with just one manual and one automatic might be a little more difficult (but a hell of a lot fun to think about!). Not sure what the impact on an automatic switch would be if the 'main' was not there to switch back to...? Hummm, this might a case where a SP 1315 which is bi-directional might come into play - the typically used SP 1314 is only one-directional.

I don't think you would want to actually bridge the batteries - in an emergency situation, you have to get the patient out of there so the functionality/integrity of the main has to be maintained. However, the winch, lights, etc., could all be attached to the largest practical aux battery (to not exceed the limitations of the stator - which, BTW, I'm not all that sure there are any, if you don't consider 'time' - if the engine is turning at optimum RPMs the stator is outputting 14.4V...) . But really, with well maintained batteries, the main will probably be at full charge long before you get to the scene anyway, so in effect, all the charge would be passing through the main to the aux anyway - about the same as having a manual switch set on 'Batt 2'.

When I find a spot to mount a car battery I think I am going to use a manual switch I have a 2013 800 and I haven't found a write up yet on those.
In my past experience with isolators in an automotive and marine environment it doesn't seem to pour in as much juice. May not be true but it seemed that way. I burned up a relatively new isolator and it was my fault, i ran the battery too low and recharged it with the alternator. Major electrical law violation... Dumb ass! Never burned up a switch though. Didn't learn the first time, officially a dumb ass. Can't do that with a stator though, those are a PITA and expensive.
I also like the idea of being parked and running the radio or whatever and can drain the battery dead without fear. When I get home I can charge it. It should also make auxiliary component wiring a little easier, maybe a connection or two less. One less connection, one less thing to keep clean and dry! I am accustom to the switches so it is not a big deal to remember. After a few hours of plowing the neighbor hood I put it on the trickle charger and leave it there most of the time.
Thanks again for the insight guys.
DU, sounds like you are golden! You bring up a couple of points, that for the sake of others that may be reading this thread, may be good to cover. First is the wiring of accessories - a fuse block off your aux is a good idea and can save you from having a messy pile of wires attached directly to your aux (2nd) battery - easier to fuse them properly also. Also, as you said, a manual switch is more forgiving than an automatic switch if you experience a dead short - pretty easy to fry an automatic - probably one reason why manual switches are so popular in marine environments.

Like I said in my last post, it is pretty important that when using a manual switch, you still have to either ensure there is some sort of isolation between the two batteries (like a diode, which is hopefully built into the switch), or the two batteries have to be exactly the same or as close to it as possible. The reason for this is that if two batteries are hooked up in parallel, the weaker battery will drag down or limit the stronger battery to the weaker battery's level. So, for example, if you have a lawn mower battery paralleled to a truck battery, after a very short time, you will have the equivalent of two lawn mower batteries wasting a bunch of the potential of the truck battery.

One other thing you mentioned that could be handy to know is there is (usually) some overhead in using an automatic switch - usually around 1V (to power the unit itself). So if you measure the voltage coming into switch at 14.4V and coming out of the switch around 13.4V, that's why. Normally, it is inconsequential but knowing it can save your from trying to find where that missing volt went! I would guess there is probably some drop in a manual switch also, but I have no idea what it would be (if anything).

Sorry for the long posts - some day I will get a life and not have so much time to ramble on here :ambivalence:
 
After using some of the ones mentioned i went w/ a setup from HellroaringHellroaring Technologies, inc., Manufacturer of Solid State Dual Battery Isolator / Combiners Need the second battery as a reserve to start and get me home if main goes. There are several ways to hook up his isolator depending on your needs. Also installed a digital volt meter on a switch that allows monitoring either battery. Also installed an NOCO charger onboard with a external plug to keep both batteries trickle charged.
Also an real Alternator which CHARGES batteries 13.9/14.2 at IDLE w/ Everything turned on.
 
After using some of the ones mentioned i went w/ a setup from HellroaringHellroaring Technologies, inc., Manufacturer of Solid State Dual Battery Isolator / Combiners Need the second battery as a reserve to start and get me home if main goes. There are several ways to hook up his isolator depending on your needs. Also installed a digital volt meter on a switch that allows monitoring either battery. Also installed an NOCO charger onboard with a external plug to keep both batteries trickle charged.
Also an real Alternator which CHARGES batteries 13.9/14.2 at IDLE w/ Everything turned on.
That's a unique approach! What alternator did you install, and how?
 
Do tell, do tell.... Alternator information.

My boat has a trickle charger hard wired in with a 110 volt so all I have to do is plug the extension cord in to recharge the batteries. My pontoon is setup the same way but it is kept at the pier. I do not have access to power at the pier but in the winter I run a cord and they are trickle charging all winter.

Gotta hear about the alternator! I have only found one post in the whole world and it was on PRC about an alternator and the end result was not impressive. The post was good, product not so much.




Du
 
Went w/ the kit from RPMFAB Ranger 800 Alternator Kit Free Shipping | RPM Off Road Fabrication | Metal Fab Work The alternator is a standard vehicle unit. RPMFAB custom makes the mounting bracket. Took bout an hour total to install. You have to bore an oversize hole in the clutch cover. Only part that did not go well was the rubber gasket to keep the cover sealed. That shredded soon as the shaft turned. Have run without it and had no probs. Go thru deep snow & slush same as w/ a sled ( and their clutchs are not sealed ). Deep water ?????
Big prob I had was the ranger sat and idled a lot. With just the factory lites on it was discharging the battery. Also the Ranger would sit for 30/40 days not being started at all. The residual draw between Polaris stuff & Battery Doctor Isolator was draining both batteries ( 2 AGMs ).
The Hellroaring Isolator would take a year or more. When this Ranger is used it is winter, very remote, no cell & alone so I really need a system that will be as reliable as I can make it.
 
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